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#1 ·
Hi every one, I've just changed the main battery and now have problems with the doors locking and alarm setting, the car also chirps twice after pressing key fob, i tried keeping all the system connected using a second battery but one of the wire came off, so frustrating. I need to know how to reset the door locking the mirrors folding and alarm setting.
Any ideas apart from disconnecting the power again? i will also have to reset all the windows, why are these thins so complicated?
thanks
Andy
 
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#2 ·
Hi Andy, you need to disconnect the battery again- but you need to wait 5 minutes after opening the rear tailgate before you disconnect the battery. Make sure all doors are shut, open rear tailgate, wait at least 5 minutes before disconnecting and leave disconnected for 30 mins before reconnecting and make sure all the battery terminals are on properly and are tight. All of your problems are caused by you not letting the cars various computers and systems to power down. This should fix it.
 
#5 ·
Interesting info Kenny, have you had this work for yourself?

Good luck Andy, keep us updated.. (y)
 
#6 ·
Hi Kenny, yes done myself, fairly good with the spanners and do what i can servicing, brakes etc, but car electrics are a mystery to me, i have just opened the rear door now and will wait 5 minutes before disconnecting the battery, i will take off both terminals as i was only doing the -terminal before, see what happens
cheers
Andy
 
#7 ·
Have a look at my post:


as stated there is a Service Bulletin on this and new modules needed.
 
#10 ·
Hi there
Most things i could reset like the seating steering memory, the clock, the windows, what i cannot get to work is the door locking and alarm, when i activate the door locking the mirrors flash as normal but the doors don't lock and the alarm doesn't set it then beeps twice about 3 seconds later telling me there's an error and the mirrors don't fold. I have tried disconnecting the battery and waiting as advised by members but still no good. Mine is a 2.2 diesel with stop/start and 2 batteries, even with both disconnected there was still power at the main battery cables when i checked with a multi-meter, there must be a 3rd battery somewhere that powers the alarm independently. i've done all i can i will have to go to an independent Jag specialist for some advice. So much for trying to do the right thing and keeping the car well maintained.
thanks
Andy
 
#11 ·
Sounds like the same problem I had. I was already aware of what can happen yet despite waiting for all the systems to shut down, cover up the terminals etc it still happened. It may just be one of the doors causing it, you can tell by looking to see which tab doesn't go flush. A temporary work around is to open the window(s), lock the car by reaching through the window frame and using the tab on the inside and then use the global windows close from your fob. It should at least allow you to lock your car.

Whatever you do, don't go to a main dealer. They have a TSB on this and they will want to change your CJB and AJB and then recode at the cost of thousands. They won't even provide complimentary lube whilst pulling your trousers down.

An indy Jag specialist should be able to recode it for about £60 and it takes about 20 mins.
 
#15 ·
Had this with mine BUT it happened whilst in having a recall item done. The dealer got Jaguar to pay for the new junction boxes.

However, from another forum workshops using Autologic diagnostic software can correct the problem in about 10 minutes,....if they know how.

For those in the UK here are two garages that know what to do:

In Coalville Leicester

MDM Services

Unit 4 Stephenson Industrial Estate

Coalville, Leicester

LE67 3HP

01530 838666

In Milton Keynes,

E & E Services MK Ltd

38 Tanners Drive

Blakelands

Milton Keynes

MK14 5BW

01908 218 875
 
#16 ·
Thank you. UK would be a nice trip....without Corona :)....
I will check with my local Jaguar garage this afternoon. If they offer something like "free time slot in 4 weeks" "official order for root cause analysis etc...." I will order something like mongoose + SDD software. I can lock all doors from inside and the drivers door from outside with the small spare key.
My fobs are recognized by the immobilizer. No warnings on the display when I sit in the car and all doors are closed. Lock/Unlock buttons on the dash won't work.
I tested this too:
1. Close all doors from outside. Press Lock on the fob. Cat chirps twice.
=> Fob 20 meters away from the car => Open drivers door => Alarm activated
2. Some procedure as no 1
=> Fob in my pocket => Open drivers door => No alarm + lights on as normal but no unlock-signal to the other doors

So I see that even the keyless entry system recognizes my key. Why won't it lock or unlock the car :-(.
I am very curious about my meeting with the Jag dealer :)

Dirk
 
#18 ·
Thank you. UK would be a nice trip....without Corona :)....
I will check with my local Jaguar garage this afternoon. If they offer something like "free time slot in 4 weeks" "official order for root cause analysis etc...." I will order something like mongoose + SDD software. I can lock all doors from inside and the drivers door from outside with the small spare key.
My fobs are recognized by the immobilizer. No warnings on the display when I sit in the car and all doors are closed. Lock/Unlock buttons on the dash won't work.
I tested this too:
1. Close all doors from outside. Press Lock on the fob. Cat chirps twice.
=> Fob 20 meters away from the car => Open drivers door => Alarm activated
2. Some procedure as no 1
=> Fob in my pocket => Open drivers door => No alarm + lights on as normal but no unlock-signal to the other doors

So I see that even the keyless entry system recognizes my key. Why won't it lock or unlock the car :-(.
I am very curious about my meeting with the Jag dealer :)

Dirk
What about pulling handle on one of other doors when car is locked and key in your pocket?
 
#19 ·
Hi Hamed,
same reaction. No Open signal to the other doors. No door can be locked by the dash button or the fob.

I went to the local Jag dealer. You know the answer :) . We have never heard about any problem after changing the battery. We are changing batteries all the time.
They need the car for an hour or so. Maybe the can find the fault within this hour. If not, I have to leave the car in the garage :). Ok, what about a immobilizer routine with 10 minutes effort now? No chance. No way.
So I left my cat dealer without any quick check of the fault via their diagnostic tool :)

I went to my Indy right before he shut his doors :) He told me check all fuses and come back tomorrow if all are ok. Then he will try this immobilizer routine.
With my iCarsoft CRpro, I don't get acces to the immobilizer control unit. Maybe that's a fault, but maybe it has just not the right protocol. If the immobilizer wouldn't work, the engine would not start.
Only two things don't work. Central locking and the comfort close function of the rear windows. Very interesting :) Maybe there is a link between these two issues :)

I will let you know, if I find the root cause. Ok, not to find the root cause is not really an option :)

Dirk
 
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#20 ·
Hi Hamed,
same reaction. No Open signal to the other doors. No door can be locked by the dash button or the fob.

I went to the local Jag dealer. You know the answer :) . We have never heard about any problem after changing the battery. We are changing batteries all the time.
They need the car for an hour or so. Maybe the can find the fault within this hour. If not, I have to leave the car in the garage :). Ok, what about a immobilizer routine with 10 minutes effort now? No chance. No way.
So I left my cat dealer without any quick check of the fault via their diagnostic tool :)

I went to my Indy right before he shut his doors :) He told me check all fuses and come back tomorrow if all are ok. Then he will try this immobilizer routine.
With my iCarsoft CRpro, I don't get acces to the immobilizer control unit. Maybe that's a fault, but maybe it has just not the right protocol. If the immobilizer wouldn't work, the engine would not start.
Only two things don't work. Central locking and the comfort close function of the rear windows. Very interesting :) Maybe there is a link between these two issues :)

I will let you know, if I find the root cause. Ok, not to find the root cause is not really an option :)

Dirk
Windows have to be recalibrated after any battery disconnect. Also global open or close settings will change to default. Just wondering if it’s one of the locks thinks the door is open and prevents central locking. I would start from boot lid. Does the remote or button on dash open the boot lid? If not, it could be the boot lead.
 
#21 ·
The boot lid is the only door that works via fob and via the boot lid dash button. But the boot lid won't open or close via the central locking buttons on the fob or the dash. I checked the door status on the display yesterday evening. If all doors are closed, no open door is shown in the display. I checked all fuses. All are ok.
Even after teaching the positions of the windows again, the 2 rear windows only open completly by using the comfort open function of the fob. They won't close. Misterious. I will try again to teach them today in the afternoon. After I visited my Indy :) I am very curious if the Bosch-equipment he has, can do the immobilizer service action.....we will see

Maybe it is a damaged cable in the boot? I will check that again.

Dirk
 
#23 ·
:) Or something like that :)
You are right. I think it's the same with my cat. And I think the issue with the comfort close function of the rear windows is only a collateral damage due to the main problem with the central locking. But it might also be a real defect of the control unit.
I went to my Indy garage today and we tried to connect to the immobilizer control unit. It was not possible with his equipment. So he tried several other things to teach the central locking unit. In the end non of these actions solved the issue.
Back home I opened the boot lid, closed all other doors and wait for 30 min. Then unplugged the battery again and wait another 20 min. Reconnected the battery. Reset the battery management system. Still the same situation as before.
Now I will proof wether I buy the SDD software and some hardware or having a trip to the UK :)
My Cat Dealer is not interested in following the hint with the service action immobilizer.

I will let you know....
 
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#24 ·
Good luck whichever route you take sandmaennle.. A trip to the U.K. sounds like a good idea to me though either way... :D
 
#25 ·
I cannot live without SDD. The problem with windows happened to me. I used SDD to calibrate them to solve it. Global close or open only works when window is calibrated in that direction. No surprises.
Sometimes SDD prompts to calibrate electric seats as well.
I tried mine with doors open or fob inside/outside and both fob and central console buttons worked in all of those situations.
Some symptoms you have reminds me the issue our FM had few weeks ago. Maybe it worths a check. Below is the link to his solution post.
I.e. it could be a loose earth connection and car cannot reach the module via most. However it seems to me very low chance.

 
#26 ·
Thank you hamed. I will keep that in mind. I will gain some knowledge of SDD and adapters. OK, I could go and let my Jag dealer fix it for me. But after all the repairs that didn't work, I am really fed up with giving them a second chance. And I believe this time they will change on or two control units and charge me about 1600 EUR for that :) Thank you you very much but No :).
Could you tell me what kind of setup you have? Adapter, software, lincence or patch. Did you buy an official bundle/package?
 
#27 ·
Thank you hamed. I will keep that in mind. I will gain some knowledge of SDD and adapters. OK, I could go and let my Jag dealer fix it for me. But after all the repairs that didn't work, I am really fed up with giving them a second chance. And I believe this time they will change on or two control units and charge me about 1600 EUR for that :) Thank you you very much but No :).
Could you tell me what kind of setup you have? Adapter, software, lincence or patch. Did you buy an official bundle/package?
I will send them over. Hopefully it’s just the fob. In worst case that you had to replace the CJB, Onotole knows how to program a used CJB to replace yours. It’s a step beyond the SDD though.
 
#28 ·
SDD can usually reprogram the CJB/BCM in your car (Onotole has done this for me).. or program a used one to work on your car, the problem is when the CJB/BCM has become corrupted and lost the VIN, that's when an external programmer is needed otherwise any reprogramming done will be lost if you disconnect the battery at any point, works fine until then.
 
#29 ·
Thank you. I am now waiting for my adapter to arrive. You will read about my progress. I hope SDD will run and connect to my Jag without major trouble like bluescreen or some jokes like that :)
 
#30 ·
I am back :) . The mongoose adapter just arrived today. No bluescreen during installation but it took me 3 hours to find the root cause for the error " dependency walker error: side by side configuration" on my laptop. In the end the 2005 redistibutable package for microsoft visual C++ was missing. In the 32bit version. Even if I have the 64bit Windows 10 on my laptop :). After this correction SDD started. But I couldn't get a connection to the Jag. That's the next step. Good step for a rainy Sunday :) like tomorrow. I am looking forward to :)
I will keep you informed.
 
#31 ·
DONE :) Today morning I switched on the laptop. Message from SDD "Update is pending". I saw I had the network switched on over night. I think it was a background task wich was already running last night when I tried to connect to the Jag. After updating everything was fine. No other changes to the adapter or the driver. Connected to the Jag and started the diagnostic session for my task. The service function "Immobilizer" solved my issue :) YES :)
But now...hot coffee....and than I will check out the function "battery change" and calibration of the rear windows. And of course I will poste some SDD pictures. Interesting tool :) ...if it's running and connecting :)
 
#32 ·
Good news Dirk, glad you got there in the end, well done and thanks for keeping us up to date. (y)
 
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#33 ·
Some pictures and detailed information:

  • change of main battery and auxiliary battery caused malfunction of central locking feature and loss of window calibration. Keyless entry is still working. Engine is still cranking. Event "battery replacement action" with a OBD-tool I have didn't help.
    Today I would change the main battery first. Having the auxiliary battery still connected. Maybe this would work better.

  • Ordered MongoosePro JLR from China and installed SDD v160 on my standard ROG ASUS i7 Win10 Home 64bit. Running the patch. Got some problems during the first run of SDD with the message "Side-by-Side configuration incorrect". Root cause in my case was the Visual C++ redistributable 2005 dlls. I only had them in my 64bit version on my system. After installing the 32bit package SDD started.

  • No connection to the Jag even though the adapter was recognized by SDD. Root cause in my case was a pending background update process of SDD. After updating an reboot SDD works fine. No I was able to search for the fix of my originnal problem :).

  • As I read in another thread I started with the service functions.
    1. checked my keys via "verify keys" -> No faults. Both keys were fully registered. No change of my problems.
    2. function "Immobilization" -> the function stores the keys in some modules. That fixed my central locking problem
    3. function "battery replacement" -> no further changes
    4. function "window calibration" -> fixed the second problem with the rear window comfort function

I am happy :) Learned new stuff. That's always good and interesting. And I have the next question...see my other thread :)
After 1.5 weeks of locking the Jag from inside and the driver's door with the small key from outside, I can press the FOB key again and it works :) :) . And I saved about 1.500 EUR. I will have a nice dinner with that money :cool: Rectangle Font Parallel Screenshot Number
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Thanks to everyone in this thread for your support!

Dirk
 
#34 ·
Hello all,

similar problem on my car. Had a problem with the alternator that was not working anymore while being on the highway in France. So all batteries where empty.
Car towed to Belgium (where I live) and alternator repaired and batteries changed.
My JAG dealer needed the car for a whole day to 'reprogram' the car and the wireless keys. The result is that they did not succeed to download the standard software to the "car-CPU"... So wireless keys not working anymore and the car cannot be locked. The car runs still perfect (340000km)....
As mentioned above the dealer suggest changing a few units but it will cost more than 5000€...
Is one of the garages mentioned by PaulT a solution?

Marc (Gent-Belgium)
 
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