[TheStig]

I think that is wishful thinking. There is so much missing that it is more than that, it is a new strategy on options from Jaguar that didn't exist before.

The residuals for me on a high annual mileage car are always poor and don't vary that much.

My cars lose 80% of their valve because of the mileage & it's always worse on cars where options make up a big chunk of the purchase price.

 

[ChrisSB]

Is it really?! That is so funny, it must be the most specced option and easiest £400 Jaguar ever made! I'm sure they do it on purpose just to confuse the hell out of us

Is there a cost option for 360 degree cameras though? (Me getting all cynical )

Yes 360 camera is a cost option.


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[wilf]

Re: performance figures for the 6 cyl models.

I don't see how the diesel, with 516lbs ft of torque (same as the V8) can be so much slower than the petrol, which although it has more bhp, has more than 10% less torque? Does not compute to me.

Think we might await some full road test figures.

 

[ExFS]

Not sure I agree Chris, wilf wants a light blue XF with an Ivory interior and a 3.0 Diesel engine. Nothing in the intervening months is going to change the fact he can't have one! D3GGY and Nick are in similar situations, knowing exactly what they want but Jaguar are not playing ball

 

[TheStig]

Never mind.....I'll just get a Volvo!

 

[JaguAL]

Not sure I agree Chris, wilf wants a light blue XF with an Ivory interior and a 3.0 Diesel engine. Nothing in the intervening months is going to change the fact he can't have one! D3GGY and Nick are in similar situations, knowing exactly what they want but Jaguar are not playing ball

Agreed, nothing much is going to change. Jaguar aren't suddenly going to go back on their pricing strategy and available options. This might be new to us, but jaguar management will have been discussing this for months/years. This is what we're getting.

 

[Nathan]

My dad worked for BMW for many, many years and he always said to stay well clear of a new model for at least 12 months. Not helping those who want a new XF asap, but still I think wise advice. Also he says dealers(BMW) will offer big, big discounts(reaching close to cost) to move numbers due to manufacturer incentives which will come in time.

Also, the Jag salesman who sold me my car, said it was expected more engines types would follow. So look out for some seriously quick Ford Transits. (Google it .. Jag engine in a transit). I wont be in the market for a new car for me for at least 2 years, so I have the luxury to wait it out.

I do like that the petrol S has such good performance. Even though I love my 3.0D, I do love a good petrol engine and lots of revs.

 

[ChrisSB]

They are bound to replace the petrol S engine at some point. It's been around for a while now and hasn't changed much. They'll need a new version of it if they want to keep up with power and emission standards.


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[Ancill]

They are bound to replace the petrol S engine at some point. It's been around for a while now and hasn't changed much. They'll need a new version of it if they want to keep up with power and emission standards.


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I agree, but it will have to be super efficient or the running costs and depreciation will be close to the XFR, which is exactly the issue now.

If you can find one used and accept the VED of £500/year then you should be able to bag a bargain

 

[TheStig]

They are bound to replace the petrol S engine at some point. It's been around for a while now and hasn't changed much. They'll need a new version of it if they want to keep up with power and emission standards.

Agreed....the current 3.0 petrol doesn't cut it emissions wise in a 'business' saloon. They can get away with it for a weekend car such as the F-Type but not for a company vehicle doing 20,000 miles pa. The pathetic sales figures for the classic 5.0 & the facelift 3.0 S/C should have told them that.

 

[ChrisSB]

Maybe they are waiting for a new Ingenium engine.


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[TheStig]

Maybe they are waiting for a new Ingenium engine.

I'm sure they are. The problem appears to be one of capacity & the 2.0 petrol isn't even on the horizon yet so don't hold your breath for the 3.0D.

 

[ChrisSB]

I wasn't. No more diesel for me.


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[TheStig]

I wasn't. No more diesel for me.

There already appears to be a capacity problem with the 2.0D. The Disco Sport has just been released with the existing engine with the promise of an Ingenium engine later.

 

[Ancill]

There already appears to be a capacity problem with the 2.0D. The Disco Sport has just been released with the existing engine with the promise of an Ingenium engine later.

And the Range Rover Evoque is due to get the new engine later this year!

 

[Ben]

Pretty nearly zero of the 3 litre petrol or diesel engines will be sold as company cars. They're simply too expensive on tax and approved mileage rates won't cover them. Even my 2.2 180bhp Merc is borderline. It costs 12ppm in fuel and £260 a month in BIK on top of the lease price, and I get reimbursed the standard 20ppm IR rate for diesel. This car is on par with a top spec'd R-Sport XE at a list of just over 40k.

A company car driver is not going to be able to run a 3 litre new XF without it costing them money and very few co-car drivers are interested in that.

So Jaguar have realised the market for the 3 litres is that very small amount of people who buy big powerful cars out of their own money. Whilst we're comparing it to a 535d or bi-turbo A6, how many of them to you actually see on the road compared to the 2 litre versions? Not that many and not as company cars.

 

[TheStig]

Pretty nearly zero of the 3 litre petrol or diesel engines will be sold as company cars. They're simply too expensive on tax and approved mileage rates won't cover them. Even my 2.2 180bhp Merc is borderline. It costs 12ppm in fuel and £260 a month in BIK on top of the lease price, and I get reimbursed the standard 20ppm IR rate for diesel. This car is on par with a top spec'd R-Sport XE at a list of just over 40k.

A company car driver is not going to be able to run a 3 litre new XF without it costing them money and very few co-car drivers are interested in that.

So Jaguar have realised the market for the 3 litres is that very small amount of people who buy big powerful cars out of their own money. Whilst we're comparing it to a 535d or bi-turbo A6, how many of them to you actually see on the road compared to the 2 litre versions? Not that many and not as company cars.

Wilf's, Dave A's, Mark's & my XF are/were all run with 'Company' money. None of us are interested in a 2.0 or 2.2.

 

[Ancill]

Wilf's, Dave A's, Mark's & my XF are/were all run with 'Company' money. None of us are interested in a 2.0 or 2.2.

I also ran my XFR as a company financed car, I received 25ppm and met the running cost........just

The 640d is embarrassing at the moment when making a fuel claim, the HMRC rates easily cover my fuel costs for business mileage.

 

[Ben]

Running with 'company money' and running a 'company car' are not the same and you know it. I'm talking about your average employed person who is given a car for use by their employer with it either funded directly by the employer, or by them getting a sum of money with which a company lease is paid (my scenario).

Taking cash and buying your own is different as you're not subject to BIK. Equally having your own busines and the business buying a car opens up all sorts of ways of making an expensive car cheaper.

I stand by my point that most large engined cars are private purchases.

 

[ChrisSB]

I also ran my XFR as a company financed car, I received 25ppm and met the running cost........just

The 640d is embarrassing at the moment when making a fuel claim, the HMRC rates easily cover my fuel costs for business mileage.

Yep and this is the exact reason I opted out. I get 45ppm and a my "car allowance" isn't actually a car allowance. When I started they just added it to my salary so it's not listed as a separate item on my pay slips.

More and more people I know are doing it this way as company cars are always limited.