[SuperDoop]

Drivers of Jaguar or Land Rover plug-in electric hybrid and fully electric vehicles will now benefit from the launch of Jaguar Charging and Land Rover Charging, bringing them easy access to a network of over 300,000 charging points stretching across 26 countries and 700 separate charging point providers including Osprey, Ionity and char.gy as part of a growing network – which will see more network operators being added later this year.

Existing or new owners will receive a welcome pack to the service, including a Jaguar or Land Rover charging key which simply needs to be tapped at any one of the network’s points to initiate a charge. Access can also be granted through the Jaguar Charging or Land Rover Charging app.

With the prospect of charging a car away from home often daunting for customers, the new Charging services aim to simplify the process. One charging key, one app, and a curated selection of charging points across the UK and Europe; and the way users pay for the service is equally simple.
With the Pay-As-You-Go package there is no monthly fee, and charging sessions cost simply the current variable rate at each charger. The Gold Tariff – priced at £4.26 inc. VAT per month including VAT – provides fixed prices for charging, differing depending on the speed of the charger. The Platinum Tariff, priced at £8.50 per month including VAT, reduces the fixed rates, making it suitable for drivers that are regularly charging away from home.

Full details can be found here.

 

[ChrisSB]

The app has been available in Europe for a while.

 

[D3GGY]

Thanks for this just passed it to the son-in-law who has an iPace

 

[SuperDoop]

The app has been available in Europe for a while.

Following this, I was hoping there might be new visions of XF/XE but like many here, the outlook seems doomed, full details here.

 

[DAVENN]

Why would anyone use a none work/home charging point for a hybrid?
I had two hybrids for over 6 months, the charge point cable never left its bag...in fact I'd say ( both were short term lease) both had NEVER left their bags.

 

[ChrisSB]

Is there even a plug-in version of the XF/XE?

 

[SuperDoop]

Is there even a plug-in version of the XF/XE?

Nope but given their new strategic direction, ie SUV's and crossover versions. a crossover version of the XF would be an interesting move (XFC EV model lol). The I-pace is great but its a compact SUV, a non-premium SUV or luxury crossover (ie not LandRover) for a 6ft person would keep Jaguar custodians continuing with the XF brand. Something that's comparable to Audi A6/Q5

One can dream...

 

[Coolcity]

I was thinking about this earlier today, and it strikes me that the government and local councils are missing a trick. They have, in my mind anyway, a fantastic opportunity to build an infrastructure of charging points that THEY control and therefore profit from. It would therefore replace a lot of the oil revenue they're going to lose, and - if it was a nationwide thing (rather than local council) - give them control of the recharging prices too. Profit goes back into the national pot thereby easing the burden elsewhere.

I know it would be a huge commitment, but it would give a lot more back than something like Crossrail, which was billions of pounds spent for London's benefit only, or HS2, which most people seem to think won't benefit anybody at all in the greater scheme of things.

 

[DAVENN]

I was thinking about this earlier today, and it strikes me that the government and local councils are missing a trick. They have, in my mind anyway, a fantastic opportunity to build an infrastructure of charging points that THEY control and therefore profit from. It would therefore replace a lot of the oil revenue they're going to lose, and - if it was a nationwide thing (rather than local council) - give them control of the recharging prices too. Profit goes back into the national pot thereby easing the burden elsewhere.

I know it would be a huge commitment, but it would give a lot more back than something like Crossrail, which was billions of pounds spent for London's benefit only, or HS2, which most people seem to think won't benefit anybody at all in the greater scheme of things.

Publicy owned electricity supply.
What could go wrong?

 

[The Traveller]

I remain unconvinced as to the sense of trying to convert the entire western world's road transport from IC to EV. If the argument 'for' is based on a green reasoning then everybody should be aware that when every aspect of production is considered that an EV arrives at the first customer with a large deficit of CO2 production to be countered before the vehicle gets to a 'carbon-neutral' position. That deficit is not minor either. Producing the EV when you consider the mining, manufacture and transport from factory to consumer releases around 10-20 tonnes of CO2. The vehicle then needs to travel around 100,000 miles to get back to CO2 zero emissions.
If all the world's IC vehicles are to be changed to EV the mining industry needs to up it's output by a factor of 6 or so to get the amount of minerals required.
One EV battery weighing 1000 lbs requires around 500,000 lbs of rock to be mined. According to a study done by VW the first 15,000 miles or so of EV driving releases the same amount of CO2 as though you had bought and run an IC vehicle instead.
The number of EV's in the world in 2022 is around 15-18,000,000. That number could go up to 300,000,000 or even as high as 500,000,000. The result in world oil production would be a fall of about 10%. Why? The reason is that most oil is used in aircraft, buses, trucks, and large plant and mining equipment used in the mining of the minerals needed to create all the batteries for EV's! Those big heavy vehicles last for about 40 years...
Let's look on the bright side and think what will happen when we all are forced into EV's. They need to be charged. Probably daily for most people. Ever wonder how people in apartment blocks will manage that? How about those who are forced to park on the street? Imagine the chaos when a gang of little toe-rags run through the streets at night unplugging all those cables - just for a laugh! How much copper will be required to produce the tens of thousands of miles of charging cables? Where will the generation be done of the electricity for all those EV's - mostly charging AT NIGHT in the dark? Most electricity grids struggle at the minute in peak periods. How will they cope with the expected doubling of demand at the most inconvenient time of day? The UK recently had to use fossil-fuel powered generation to help the grid cope now never mind after we only have EV's!
Sorry - I'm just not close to being convinced.

 

[DAVENN]

I remain unconvinced as to the sense of trying to convert the entire western world's road transport from IC to EV. If the argument 'for' is based on a green reasoning then everybody should be aware that when every aspect of production is considered that an EV arrives at the first customer with a large deficit of CO2 production to be countered before the vehicle gets to a 'carbon-neutral' position. That deficit is not minor either. Producing the EV when you consider the mining, manufacture and transport from factory to consumer releases around 10-20 tonnes of CO2. The vehicle then needs to travel around 100,000 miles to get back to CO2 zero emissions.
If all the world's IC vehicles are to be changed to EV the mining industry needs to up it's output by a factor of 6 or so to get the amount of minerals required.
One EV battery weighing 1000 lbs requires around 500,000 lbs of rock to be mined. According to a study done by VW the first 15,000 miles or so of EV driving releases the same amount of CO2 as though you had bought and run an IC vehicle instead.
The number of EV's in the world in 2022 is around 15-18,000,000. That number could go up to 300,000,000 or even as high as 500,000,000. The result in world oil production would be a fall of about 10%. Why? The reason is that most oil is used in aircraft, buses, trucks, and large plant and mining equipment used in the mining of the minerals needed to create all the batteries for EV's! Those big heavy vehicles last for about 40 years...
Let's look on the bright side and think what will happen when we all are forced into EV's. They need to be charged. Probably daily for most people. Ever wonder how people in apartment blocks will manage that? How about those who are forced to park on the street? Imagine the chaos when a gang of little toe-rags run through the streets at night unplugging all those cables - just for a laugh! How much copper will be required to produce the tens of thousands of miles of charging cables? Where will the generation be done of the electricity for all those EV's - mostly charging AT NIGHT in the dark? Most electricity grids struggle at the minute in peak periods. How will they cope with the expected doubling of demand at the most inconvenient time of day? The UK recently had to use fossil-fuel powered generation to help the grid cope now never mind after we only have EV's!
Sorry - I'm just not close to being convinced.

Please explain, in your own words, how a toe rag will unplug an EV cable from a car charger without damaging the car or the charger?
high jinks is one thing...vandalism is another.
I've never wondered how someone can charge an EV if they live in an apartment block...should have bought a house with a driveway.
does the grid truly struggle at peak periods?
I assume you're not thinking about generation, just transmission?
will it struggle in 10 or 20 yrs time?
today the grid isn't the issue - local distribution, looped supply etc is....or may be.
the DNOs will be soon forced to charge for cable upgrades...my upgrade is supposedly around £6k .
At night, unless you live in a polar region, it tends to be dark ( who knew?), the point is?
why is night time the most inconvenient time?
I would suggest ( hence why some on here have an off peak tariff) that's it the opposite.
that takes us back to generation/ transmission and balancing the load by shifting demand to where we have excess capacity.


we won't, in our lifetimes , only have EVs- by the way.

you don't need to be convinced.
owning or renting an EV won't ever be compulsory.

here is one argument on the subject of battery production now and in the future.

The Coming EV Battery Revolution | Nexus PMG

EV battery technology is advancing with lithium-ion and lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries at the forefront. Solid-state batteries could also be in the cards.

nexuspmg.com

 

[cutlea01]

ICE cars will still be about for decades after 2035. What percentage of residents of high rise flats and properties with only on-street parking can afford a brand new car? Let alone a more costly pure EV? The proposed ICE ban isn't a law, it's a statement of a proposal. The proposal is also wishy-washy, cars, it says, not lorries or other transport. Self charging hybrids will still be OK until a date after 2035, so no cables needed. This has been argued and argued. You choose what is appropriate for yourself and your needs today. Currently (SWIDT) there are many residences that would present major difficulties for owner's to charge an EV, but no one is forcing them to have one. They may desire one, but their personal practicalities may prevent it. You say the inconvenience of charging overnight, at non-peak demand. How often have you needed to use your car overnight? And the legal default of all domestic EV chargers now is defaulted to overnight charging. Hasn't caused any issues. The "toe rags" also can't unplug the charge cable without major damage to the charger, the cable or the car, the plugs are locked whilst charging. The chargers today are even smart enough, and it's a legal requirement, that they alert if tampered with. The infrastructure will expand, issues will be overcome as the technology matures. The world won't see the end of ICE cars, can you imagine Africa or major parts of South America with EVs?

 

[ChrisSB]

ICE cars will still be about for decades after 2035. What percentage of residents of high rise flats and properties with only on-street parking can afford a brand new car? Let alone a more costly pure EV? The proposed ICE ban isn't a law, it's a statement of a proposal. The proposal is also wishy-washy, cars, it says, not lorries or other transport. Self charging hybrids will still be OK until a date after 2035, so no cables needed. This has been argued and argued. You choose what is appropriate for yourself and your needs today. Currently (SWIDT) there are many residences that would present major difficulties for owner's to charge an EV, but no one is forcing them to have one. They may desire one, but their personal practicalities may prevent it. You say the inconvenience of charging overnight, at non-peak demand. How often have you needed to use your car overnight? And the legal default of all domestic EV chargers now is defaulted to overnight charging. Hasn't caused any issues. The "toe rags" also can't unplug the charge cable without major damage to the charger, the cable or the car, the plugs are locked whilst charging. The chargers today are even smart enough, and it's a legal requirement, that they alert if tampered with. The infrastructure will expand, issues will be overcome as the technology matures. The world won't see the end of ICE cars, can you imagine Africa or major parts of South America with EVs?

Exactly. The amount of times I've had to explain to people that ICE cars will not disappear overnight in 2035 is crazy. It's just the sale of brand new ICE only cars that will be banned, but most manufacturers are already way down the lines of selling hybrids and BEVs, as well as the millions of used ICE cars, they'll be plenty to keep the nation going after 2035.

 

[The Traveller]

Please explain, in your own words, how a toe rag will unplug an EV cable from a car charger without damaging the car or the charger?
high jinks is one thing...vandalism is another.
I've never wondered how someone can charge an EV if they live in an apartment block...should have bought a house with a driveway.
does the grid truly struggle at peak periods?
I assume you're not thinking about generation, just transmission?
will it struggle in 10 or 20 yrs time?
today the grid isn't the issue - local distribution, looped supply etc is....or may be.
the DNOs will be soon forced to charge for cable upgrades...my upgrade is supposedly around £6k .
At night, unless you live in a polar region, it tends to be dark ( who knew?), the point is?
why is night time the most inconvenient time?
I would suggest ( hence why some on here have an off peak tariff) that's it the opposite.
that takes us back to generation/ transmission and balancing the load by shifting demand to where we have excess capacity.


we won't, in our lifetimes , only have EVs- by the way.

you don't need to be convinced.
owning or renting an EV won't ever be compulsory.

here is one argument on the subject of battery production now and in the future.

The Coming EV Battery Revolution | Nexus PMG

EV battery technology is advancing with lithium-ion and lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries at the forefront. Solid-state batteries could also be in the cards.

nexuspmg.com

According to the BBC this was the situation last Tuesday.
"As renewables failed to supply enough energy, the United Kingdom was forced to use its emergency coal-fired backup generators for the first time.
Britain’s crusade for net zero failed again on Tuesday, with the country forced to use its emergency coal-fired power plants because renewables were unable to meet demand.
In recent years, the country has been focused on shifting away from burning fossil fuels and towards green energy sources, with the country struggling to keep the lights on at times due to its Conservative Party government’s green agenda.
However, as it has become clear that Britain’s new sources of power cannot keep up with the old, the country has kept some coal-burning power plants operational and in reserve, ready to start supplying power to the energy grid should the more environmentally friendly sources fail.
According to the BBC, such a last resort had to be used, with two of the plants supplying energy to Britons once more after green energy facilities failed to perform.
Yesterday, five separate coal-fired power plants were put on standby, with two of them required to keep the energy grid stable.
The use of the power plants is a new low for the Conservative Party’s green energy agenda, a project that has cost ordinary Britons a significant amount of money and the country much of its energy security in the last year.
Despite nearly unanimous support from senior Conservatives in government, renewables in Britain have proven unable to replace fossil fuel-burning methods of energy generation."

 

[Horlicks]

No wonder the Tories want to shut the BBC down.

Edit: Not a quote from the BBC though, was it? SaveBritain, whoever they may be - Russian backed agitprop?

 

[DAVENN]

According to the BBC this was the situation last Tuesday.
"As renewables failed to supply enough energy, the United Kingdom was forced to use its emergency coal-fired backup generators for the first time.
Britain’s crusade for net zero failed again on Tuesday, with the country forced to use its emergency coal-fired power plants because renewables were unable to meet demand.
In recent years, the country has been focused on shifting away from burning fossil fuels and towards green energy sources, with the country struggling to keep the lights on at times due to its Conservative Party government’s green agenda.
However, as it has become clear that Britain’s new sources of power cannot keep up with the old, the country has kept some coal-burning power plants operational and in reserve, ready to start supplying power to the energy grid should the more environmentally friendly sources fail.
According to the BBC, such a last resort had to be used, with two of the plants supplying energy to Britons once more after green energy facilities failed to perform.
Yesterday, five separate coal-fired power plants were put on standby, with two of them required to keep the energy grid stable.
The use of the power plants is a new low for the Conservative Party’s green energy agenda, a project that has cost ordinary Britons a significant amount of money and the country much of its energy security in the last year.
Despite nearly unanimous support from senior Conservatives in government, renewables in Britain have proven unable to replace fossil fuel-burning methods of energy generation."

yes
that is all known....(sod all to do with Mrs Miggins' Nissan Leaf though)
in addition Renewable generation ( windfarm) had to be reduced ( at a cost of IIRC £60m ) as the grid ran the risk of bring overloaded...hence my comment on balancing the grid supply.
the slack handful of EVs in the UK today have a minimal effect on peak time demand but can have a beneficial effect at off peak....especially when V2L becomes more common place and the use of home battery storage.
please don't presume that EV drivers are all mung bean knitting , woke , pro green net zero idiots...
the UK needs a robust diverse energy generation and supply. that includes fracking, drilling for G20 ( methane) , oil, nuclear and renewables.
the DNOs also need to get their act in order.
My 7.2kw charger is notifiable.
A 12kw electric shower is not , nor is a 32amp hot tub.... the DNO cite diversity ( in terms of the relationship between load, time and duration of use)....

 

[DAVENN]

No wonder the Tories want to shut the BBC down.

that isn't the case.
the issue is bias and funding.

 

[wilf]

Exactly. The amount of times I've had to explain to people that ICE cars will not disappear overnight in 2035 is crazy. It's just the sale of brand new ICE only cars that will be banned, but most manufacturers are already way down the lines of selling hybrids and BEVs, as well as the millions of used ICE cars, they'll be plenty to keep the nation going after 2035.

Will ICE cars be banned though? As perviously said, is it not only a proposal or aspiration rather than a law? The EU's own law to force it through has been torpedoed by Germany and Italy just this week.

 

[ChrisSB]

Will ICE cars be banned though? As perviously said, is it not only a proposal or aspiration rather than a law? The EU's own law to force it through has been torpedoed by Germany and Italy just this week.

By 2035 they won’t need to be banned. All manufacturers will just comply by having hybrids at least.


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[cutlea01]

I've not heard any mention of it becoming a law, yet.

 

[DAVENN]

By 2035 they won’t need to be banned. All manufacturers will just comply by having hybrids at least.


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according to what I've read, 2035 will see no new hybrids being sold.