[Frank]

definitely was introduced as an option on the 3.0 "S"

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/2011-Jaguar-XF-S.html

Not according to Jaguar's information (now added to my post above), but hey - wouldn't be the first time their stuff in print was wrong!

 

[TheStig]

Interesting, because I didn't think AD was available on the XFS until the facelift model was introduced? According to the MY2011 brochure it only specifies AD on the XFR and not even and option on any of the other models.
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AD was part of the Dynamic Pack prior to the facelift.

 

[Colin11]

Here you go Frank, You can see the wires going to the top of the shocker on mine ( I did have this on my S type was called C.A.T.S then )

 

[Frank]

AD was part of the Dynamic Pack prior to the facelift.

So it would seem from Colin's picture, but nowhere in the MY2011 brochure does it list AD or a Dynamic Pack. Did it come out mid-2011, just before the facelift?

But anyway, we know Jaguar product information is crap at best and the configurator too. One reason I'm moving away from Jaguar is not having AD (even as an option) on the XF 3.0 s/c. But maybe it has and Jaguar are too incompetent to tell anyone? A circumstantial proof of this is that it is apparently not possible to have a rear camera and front parking sensors on the 3.0 s/c either according to the configurator....but do I believe that? It is nearly a year now since I pointed out some of the basic errors to Jaguar online support and all I got back was "we are working on it" or words to that effect. Well how long does it take??? They are seriously going to have to get their act together or Audi will have to fail me badly (again!) if they want my custom back when I next change.

 

[Northumbrian]

My XFS is designated MY11.5 and was built in May 2011 and also has Adaptive Dynamics fitted.

I understood the Adaptive Dynamics system is always on and not dependant on the selection of Dynamic Mode, although Dynamic Mode changes the nature of the beast.

Is this how others perceive the system to operate?

 

[coneman]

Frank... Rigger like me has The Dynamic Suspension which does stiffen up with Dynamic selected

I have that as well, came with the Volans wheels (and aero pack, or was that a separate addition?). That's why I posted earlier Frank that you may be over thinking the AD. The standard ride on mine is more jiggly than any standard 3.0D I have tried (probably the 20" wheels) and dynamic mode with AD only makes it stiffer.

It will be really interesting to see how you like the Audi after a few months. Hope you will stick around and tell us. I could be tempted back to an Audi next myself.

 

[Colin11]

Says this in the handbook,


"Jaguar Adaptive dynamics continuously
monitors the road and driver inputs and
optimises the vehicle suspension settings for
ride comfort and control.
The adaptive dynamics system is linked to
Dynamic mode, modifying the suspension
settings for a more sporting character."

So looks like when Pressing Dynamic it Stiffens the Suspension up more.

 

[TibbyWoo]

So it would seem from Colin's picture, but nowhere in the MY2011 brochure does it list AD or a Dynamic Pack. Did it come out mid-2011, just before the facelift?

But anyway, we know Jaguar product information is crap at best and the configurator too. One reason I'm moving away from Jaguar is not having AD (even as an option) on the XF 3.0 s/c. But maybe it has and Jaguar are too incompetent to tell anyone? A circumstantial proof of this is that it is apparently not possible to have a rear camera and front parking sensors on the 3.0 s/c either according to the configurator....but do I believe that? It is nearly a year now since I pointed out some of the basic errors to Jaguar online support and all I got back was "we are working on it" or words to that effect. Well how long does it take??? They are seriously going to have to get their act together or Audi will have to fail me badly (again!) if they want my custom back when I next change.

Is it just me or does the configurator currently list adaptive dynamics as standard on the 3.0 s/c?

 

[Colin11]

I think it is "Always " on .... but stiffens up the program when Dynamics selected ( feels this way to me )

 

[Frank]

I have that as well, came with the Volans wheels (and aero pack, or was that a separate addition?). That's why I posted earlier Frank that you may be over thinking the AD. The standard ride on mine is more jiggly than any standard 3.0D I have tried (probably the 20" wheels) and dynamic mode with AD only makes it stiffer.

It will be really interesting to see how you like the Audi after a few months. Hope you will stick around and tell us. I could be tempted back to an Audi next myself.

Well as mentioned elsewhere, the current XF-S on 20" wheels I drove the other day is better than mine. To give you an idea as you are familiar with the 3.0D, the gap between this and the XF-S is the same again to mine or put aother way, the XF-S sits between the 3.0D and mine in the jiggly ride stakes.

Yes, I'll stick around and let you know progress on the A7. I'm taking a bit of a gamble going back to Audi, but hey, it is a used car and I doubt I will lose much more compared my XF come next change...perhaps even less. I'll have more money tied up in it, but that's the way it goes.

 

[coneman]

Autocar did a review on the pre-facelift XFS with dynamic pack, it's on their website. Overall they didn't seem to think the AD improved the handling enough to warrant the deterioration in ride quality.

 

[Frank]

Is it just me or does the configurator currently list adaptive dynamics as standard on the 3.0 s/c?

Note it also says Passive suspension on the next line! Look at the brochure and you will see that AD is only available on the XF-S or XFR(-S). I queried all this with a couple of dealers a while back and got different answers to start with. I think Liam may have confirmed somewhere here that AD is not fitted or an option. As mentioned before, Jaguar info is all screwed up!

 

[Frank]

Autocar did a review on the pre-facelift XFS with dynamic pack, it's on their website. Overall they didn't seem to think the AD improved the handling enough to warrant the deterioration in ride quality.

I wonder what exactly they compared it to? It gets complicated because of wheel size changes which go with the different models, e.g 3.0D to 3.0D-S.
Yes, I agree that AD may not work as I'd expect it to, I just had very good experience of the equivalent when I had it as an option on my pervious car (S4). It was quite remarkable how a firm setup just soaked up the minor stuff when in auto or comfort mode. Switching to Dynamic of course stiffened things up as one would expect. This seems sensible to me to use the technology to get the best of both worlds, not just turn uncomfortable into really uncomfortable

 

[coneman]

I wonder what exactly they compared it to? It gets complicated because of wheel size changes which go with the different models, e.g 3.0D to 3.0D-S.
Yes, I agree that AD may not work as I'd expect it to, I just had very good experience of the equivalent when I had it as an option on my pervious car (S4). It was quite remarkable how a firm setup just soaked up the minor stuff when in auto or comfort mode. Switching to Dynamic of course stiffened things up as one would expect. This seems sensible to me to use the technology to get the best of both worlds, not just turn uncomfortable into really uncomfortable

I agree, but I think the Jaguar version is stiff and stiffer, definitely no comfort mode. However, I am speaking from very limited experience. The settings may well have changed with the facelift version and anyway I think it's established there is something different with your particular car.

 

[wilf]

The configurator may be right, as the suspension is passive even with AD - i.e. it reacts to road inputs rather than predicts them in the way a true active suspension system would.

I did also ask a question a while back - on an AD car are the rear shockers controllable? Anyone checked to see if they too have wiring inputs?

 

[Frank]

The configurator may be right, as the suspension is passive even with AD - i.e. it reacts to road inputs rather than predicts them in the way a true active suspension system would.

I did also ask a question a while back - on an AD car are the rear shockers controllable? Anyone checked to see if they too have wiring inputs?

Good point but of course far too subtle for Jaguar marketing to play on. Here's an extract from the dealer spreadsheet of fitments and options for the MY13. Note how it is either Passive or Adaptive, not both. Note also it is not available on the 3.0 s/c.

 

[Swindon Andy]

The configurator may be right, as the suspension is passive even with AD - i.e. it reacts to road inputs rather than predicts them in the way a true active suspension system would.

Are any cars produced with fully active suspension now? I know some Soarers were in the 90s.

 

[Frank]

Are any cars produced with fully active suspension now? I know some Soarers were in the 90s.

To be truely active in the predictive sense, sensors (cameras?) would need to look at the road surface ahead and combined with data from the current driving style would prepare for every undulation exactly as it happens...so the answer would likely be no. However, reactive systems can sample and process data so fast these days that they probably get close to predictive systems. I think more importantly, Adaptive Systems should give the driver a choice of setup - from comfort to fast road use.

 

[Colin11]

Wilf .... on my S type it was all four shocks
you could feel it going over hump back bridges as it worked it front to rear

so I cant see Jaguar going backwards with a newer system and using only front shocks

 

[Swindon Andy]

The active Soarers had almost zero roll on any cornering. Pretty advanced for 1993. From Wiki:

The UZZ32 was the top of the line 30 series featuring all of the options available on the UZZ31 but with the added feature of four-wheel steering and a complex hydro-pneumatic, computer-controlled active suspension system. This did away with conventional springs and anti-roll (stabiliser) bars in favour of hydraulic struts controlled by an array of sensors (such as yaw velocity sensors, vertical G sensors, height sensors, wheel speed sensors, longitudinal and lateral G sensors) that detected cornering, acceleration and braking forces. The system worked well and gave an unusually controlled yet smooth ride with no body roll. However, the additional weight of the system affected straight-line performance somewhat, so a re-mapped ECU was introduced to allow better 'off line' performance.[citation needed] The car was costly to produce and at close to 8million Yen in 1995,[2] expensive to buy. As a result, only 873 UZZ32's were made and are now collectors items in the UK and Australia.