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I'm looking for an answer here. Something dawned on me recently. Why is there such an issue in getting goods out of Ukraine when it is bordered by 5 non-hostile countries, 1 of which has active ports to facilitate the transport of goods by sea?
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I think it might be because bulk grain carrying ships (the normal route) have dedicated and large loading facilities and each can carry many many trains worth of grain. No such extensive loading facilites exist apparently, to load trains, so at best they are getting about 10 to 20% of normal volumes out via the Danube. And only that because Ukraine liberated Snake Island.
 

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I think it might be because bulk grain carrying ships (the normal route) have dedicated and large loading facilities and each can carry many many trains worth of grain. No such extensive loading facilites exist apparently, to load trains, so at best they are getting about 10 to 20% of normal volumes out via the Danube. And only that because Ukraine liberated Snake Island.
Well, that's worth looking into. But is it only grain that's the issue? We're told that basically everything comes from the Ukraine - even air....

I know I'm being a bit flippant here but did they really put all their eggs in one basket with the shipment of grain? Are we supposed to believe that Poland doesn't buy any grain and if they did, it'd have to come by sea?
 

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Now I'm digging into the info. What I'm finding is (and including the above story from Politico) is a lot of BS. Seems their main grain (maize) customer is China. Next is the Netherlands, Spain and Turkey. Hardly the 'poorest, fragile countries and vulnerable populations'.....
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What do you think will happen if China can't buy $3bn of maize from Ukraine?
Is that the UK's problem? I know it's not 'good', but how is this affecting our grain prices and supermarket prices?

Also, as the article said, a large shipment left before the war started, so there's some buffer for China.
 

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About half the world's production of sunflower oil comes from Russia and Ukraine. It's not surprising that the supermarket prices have risen as a consequence of the supply problems.
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wheat, barley are another two of Ukraine's major exports.
let's imagine just what staple foodstuff ( let alone alcohol based beverages) are made from wheat and or barley.
 

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So back to my first point. They have established routes of supply to countries via land based transport. I'm not sure I get why that couldn't be ramped up at least to soften the blow. Maybe it has. Seems I need to do more digging.
 

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The transport problem is being resolved although there's still a long way to go to replace sea routes with land routes. The bigger problem is the declining harvest & reduced planting which is what is really driving the futures prices upwards. The issue for the first world is merely price - for third world countries it's famine.
 

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The transport problem is being resolved although there's still a long way to go to replace sea routes with land routes. The bigger problem is the declining harvest & reduced planting which is what is really driving the futures prices upwards. The issue for the first world is merely price - for third world countries it's famine.
possibly.
however, if such nations would look to feed their own, as opposed to producing cash crops...then all may be well.
 

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possibly.
however, if such nations would look to feed their own, as opposed to producing cash crops...then all may be well.
Often the temptation to export at elevated prices becomes too hard to resist especially as the local economy can't afford these prices.
 

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Often the temptation to export at elevated prices becomes too hard to resist especially as the local economy can't afford these prices.
true...but self sustainability must take precedence.
 

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true...but self sustainability must take precedence.
You mean over profits & taxation? That's going to be pretty hard to achieve when corruption is endemic.
 
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