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Would my XF Sportbrake 2013, fitted with a proper canbus towbar electrics, have a visual tell-tale (indicators) on the dashboard when a trailer/caravan is connected?

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With my trailer attached, I only see the telltale when the indicators flash.

7-pin electrics.

My reverse camera throws up a few extra options like trailer hitch assist when reversing. A long yellow line with a red dot on the end that guides you to the trailer hitch.

It didn’t do that before the car was coded through SDD.

Now, here’s the thing, the trailer lights all work fine with most aftermarket towbar electrics without coding.

So you may need to check reverse as well. If the above aren’t showing your car may not have been coded in.
 

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The issue is the following: During the week, running up to a bank holiday weekend, I order up from PF Jones the towbar kit for mine, including dedicated 13 pin electrics. The towbar arrived in a spilt box, PF Jones would not answer their phone, but Witter did, who talked me through the contents to ensure nothing was missing. The electrics arrived separately and were supplied by Maypole; the electrics are Erich Jaeger brand. Friday evening, I start the job, removing the bumper etc. At this point, I realise the electrics bear no resemblance to my car, and upon closer inspection realise the electrics are for an X260, not my X250. PF Jones/Maypole are closed now until Tuesday, and I cannot finish the job.

What is really frustrating is that PF Jones called me mid week to confirm my car - a 2013, well clear of any 2015 changeover, and so very clear it is 'the earlier one'. The later electrics were sent and a separate wiring loom for Ign+ was also supplied for cars with the battery in the engine bay. An absolute total horlicks.

I have always fitted my towbars and made up my own wiring looms. Can I adapt this one? The X250 electric kit has a single canbus wire that you fit into an existing connector at the bottom of the boot area fuse box. The X260 had a dedicated connector with 2 wires.

I am looking at all options, which is why I asked about the tell-tale.

I think I will just have to wait until next week to sort this out............so, so frustrating.
 

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I wouldn’t try to adapt the loom. There is some cunning electronics and software in there. It’s unlikely to work.

You won’t get the tell tale until you get an independent Jaguar specialist to code in the “Tow bar Accessory”

Mine is a tow trust bar with ECS electrics.
My ECS loom had the wrong software and I had to return the black box to get it updated so I feel your pain.

Best to wait and get the right kit.

The bar itself is very straightforward to fit once the bumper is off
 

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I’ve seen what can happen to a Range Rover when using the wrong tow bar wiring loom so I’ll now only fit a genuine loom. Might be worth returning the one you have any buying it from Jaguar going by your chassis number. At least then you‘ll know it’s right for your car.

David.
 

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I understand the Jaguar wiring kit for my car is C2Z14585. Phoning around few dealers all say it is no longer available.
 

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If it was it would be around £450

Honestly, return that one and buy the ECS kit. It’s plug and play.
You can get the car coded afterward.
 

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I've always wondered about towing with my car, I've got the tow bar hitch thingy in the boot and a little flap in the rear bumper trim for access, but I don't know if the electrics are installed?
 

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The ECS kit is out of stock at the moment. Furthermore there is a cryptic comment about disabling the parking sensors as if their kit doesn't have that feature. I get the impression their kit is a glorified TEB7AS. I am happy to be proved wrong however.
 

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The backend of my XF has remained in bits since the bank holiday. I didn't want to put it all back only to have to rip it all apart again once I had obtained a wiring kit.

Before I start on the wiring kit, a comment on the towbar itself. It is a Witter J16AQ. I have fitted many a towbar and there is always a bit of fiddling to be done when fitting them. Anyway the amount of 'not lining up' was more severe than normal. For a while, I thought my car had been hit in the right rear corner because the brackets were so far out. A body panel beater friend popped over and said there were no signs of a repair and all indications were my car being original. I got it to fit finally. I then went to fit the receiver block for the detachable towbar. The securing bolts would not screw in. In the end I took the block away from the towbar frame yet still could not get the bolts to start screwing in. I had to use a tap to open the threads in the block whereupon the bolts would then screw in. The quality of Witter does not appear to be as good as they used to be.

The PF Jones 13pin559 wiring kit is a Brink 719048 which is also a Jaeger 21360505J. The instructions are all exactly the same, apart from the branded title. I ended up enquiring with Nova Leisure who are the Brink importers/wholesalers. They were contending with 30 pallets of towbars received from Brink and somewhere within that lot were eight Brink 719048 wiring kits. Nova only sell to trade. Days later, once the stock had been booked in, I tackled PF Jones again reminding them of the situation they had put me in and they gave me discount on a Brink 719048. That arrived a day later. The wiring loom is from Mkem (mkem.sk) and the towing module of electronics is Jaeger.

I install the wiring kit and the instruction clearly state the trailer lights should work straightaway and the coding in with SDD is for the parking sensors afterwards. Err no, the trailer lights do not work at all until it has been coded in. Until then, a red LED was lit on the trailer module. I connect my 30A power supply to the battery which measured 38A for a minute before dropping to 28A and then reducing to 20A or so. Used SDD V160.004 on Win7 32bit. I select trailer module and off it starts. Very soon it wants to download missing software. My SDD, being what its, does not have, ahem, internet access. Never mind, says SDD, you can instead plug in a USB stick and it will load an installation file. You then go off and find a PC that does have internet access, plug in the USB stick, select the installation file, download the necessary files, and then plug the USB stick back in to the SDD whereupon it sucks in the downloaded files. SDD did this three times. SDD then went into a major updating procedure with this and that module being updated, text rolling across the PC screen faster than the credits at the end of a 1970's TV US cop show, the ignition going dead, coming live and going dead, coming live with a brief beeps of the horn. After a few minutes of me thinking, "oh dear what have I done", SDD flashed up green ticks of success. I gingerly look back at a trailer light board and flicked an indicator; lo and behold the trailer board lit up correctly - indicators, brakes side lights along with a green LED on the trailer module.

After an immense amount of patience, I've got there in the end.
 

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Well done Winco! You got there in the end, sounds like a few 'squeaky' moments on the way with SDD though!!

...text rolling across the PC screen faster than the credits at the end of a 1970's TV US cop show...
:LOL:
 

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Well done. That’s a result.

Yes, SDD when programming modules, cycles all sorts of things in the car and it can be a real squeaky bum moment, or 10!!

Enjoy your towbar
 

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I had none of this when I connected my towbar electronics, they worked as soon as they were connected. I've still not coded the car to set it with a tow module. I don't appear to have any paperwork, but from memory it was listed as new unused genuine Jaguar supplied tow module on Ebay, and I followed the Jaguar instruction to fit.

Glad you finally got your's to work, I don't have SDD as I don't want the bum squeak moments! I know I'll break my cars....
 

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Oh, and to add, I don't have a dash tell-tale when I have a trailer connected.
 
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