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Hi All, I'm recent convert to Jaguar after recently buying a 2014 XF 2.2 Premium Luxury with 95,000 on it.

It's fair to say I'm absolutely smitten, and plan to keep it in the long term. I've had had the cambelt done and the wheels refurbished. It looks stunning.

Shortly after buying it, I bought a second hand, three week old iCarsoft LR v3.0 device just to keep an eye on any fault codes that may crop up.

I tried the iCarsoft to check for any upcoming fault codes and and after connecting to the engine module, "PATS SERVICE DIAGNOSTICS" was displayed on the dashboard, and the device became quite unresponsive.

I quit out then found the car wouldn't start. Pressing the start button whilst holding the brake down brought the car to life, but it just wouldn't crank.

I went back into the diagnostics and found the error code "U0167-00" State: Intermittent. Lost communication with the vehicle immobiliser control module"

I tried a few things, including disconnecting the battery for an hour and trying again, but still the same result. I checked the battery voltage and it had dropped to 12.4V, so left it on charge for 24 hours and came back to it the next day.

I hooked the battery up, still the same issue, so I rang the RAC with the intention of getting it recovered to a specialist. The RAC guy came 30 minutes later, and the car sprang to life with his first try. I was gobsmacked!

The car has been fine ever since, until I had a TPMS error after the wheel refurb. I arranged to have all 4 TPMS sensors replaced as they were all original, so had that done. I was told the new sensors would sync after 10 minutes of driving. They didn't

So foolishly, I got the iCarsoft out again, went into the TPMS module to check for codes, and yet again it became sluggish and unresponsive and managed to immobilise the car with the same U0167-00 error.

I tried the same routine as before (disconnecting the battery, charging for 24 hours, re-connecting, leaving for 30 minutes and trying again). It still doesn't start, and I'm at my wits end as to how to proceed.

Any ideas guys? Thanks for any help you can provide.


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Is the icarsoft genuine, the way to find out would be to try & update the unit using the icarsoft update tool. That would check the unit number & only allow the update if genuine.
I heard there were a few illigal copies around!
 

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Hi John, thanks for the suggestion. I've just updated it (so I guess it is genuine) and I'll give it another go now. Fingers crossed!
 

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Quick question; is the ignition/engine off when you're plugging/unplugging the iCarsoft?
 

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It was off when I plugged the iCarsoft in, then when I finished, I backed out to the main menu before unplugging. The "PATS Service Diagnostics" message had gone from the dash.

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I have to say, this is my first question on this forum, and I wasn't expecting any replies tonight.

Thanks for coming back to me so quickly. I think I'm going to enjoy learning a huge amount here.
 

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That's strange behaviour. I have the LR V2, not a V3 and have had zero issues. Method I use is unlock and enter the car, ensure fob is on the centre console. Connect the iCarsoft, foot off brake, press the start button to turn on the ignition. Allow a minute to pass for all modules to finish their comms, then use the iCarSoft for whatever reason I connected it. Start the engine if that's required as part of the tests etc. When finished with the iCarSoft, exit it from any diagnostics, back to main menu, power off the car, disconnect the iCarSoft.

TPMS sensors will self register after a few miles, usually within 2 or 3. If you have "TPMS system error" showing on the dash then either the sensors fitted are the wrong type or by coincidence, the TPMS module has gone faulty, well known for this. Where are you? I have a hand-held TPMS sensor tool which will individually initiate them and check what they are, working or faulty etc and can even program them. I'm in East Midlands, Ripley.
 

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A couple of things maybe worth a quick try.
Press the brake pedal extra hard when pressing the start button ( it checks the break pressure, and if you've used up the remaining vacuum assistance you have to press harder than usual )
Try holding the key against the dash below the foglight switch ( as described in the manual for when you have a smartkey with a discharged battery ) while holding the brake, and pressing start.
 

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Hi, thanks for the replies. The RAC have just been (5 hour wait, but I was working from home, so no issue). I went in to make him a coffee and by the time I was back out, the car was ticking over.

I asked what he did and said he'd just waggled the wheel, then it started. He had his diagnostic kit plugged in and was just checking for stored faults. He found nothing particularly out of the ordinary (boot error, but I'd left it open whilst charging the battery, the U0167-00 error and issues relating to the TPMS.

@Cutllea01, I'm in Hempshill Vale near Nuthall, so probably 15 minutes away from Ripley. If it's ok, I'll give it another couple of days to see if the TPMS sensors all connect, and if I'm still struggling, perhaps I could message you?

Thanks for the info on the procedure with the iCarsoft. That's not what I was following, and it seems exactly what I should have done.

I'll ensure I'll do that if I ever get brave enough to plug it in again. In all honesty, I don't think I dare, though I had the iCarsoft CPII for my previous Citroens and that was great, so I know they are good products.

If anyone in the East Midlands area would like to borrow it, you are very much more than welcome.


Thanks immensely to everyone who took the time to share their advice on this. I can't thank you all enough.


Cheers, John.
 

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Thanks for the update, John (great name!). And fingers crossed that the TPMS valves sorr themselves out.
 
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Good you have the car running again (y)

@Cutllea01, I'm in Hempshill Vale near Nuthall, so probably 15 minutes away from Ripley. If it's ok, I'll give it another couple of days to see if the TPMS sensors all connect, and if I'm still struggling, perhaps I could message you?
Yes of course. I'm not allowed to work yet (still, since last October) as I have heart failure which is under drug control. I'm fine enough (currently undertaking a massive home plumbing project) so I'm around all week, and checking your TMPS sensors won't be an issue at all. Unfortunately I don't have a spare TPMS module now so I can't swap it, but I'm very aware of the Jag TPMS system.
 
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After using an iCarsoft V2 to try to clear a fault in my previous vehicle (Discovery Sport), which the garage where I purchased it from were also unable to clear, I decided to try an Autel AP200. This is just a small unit which links to your smartphone. This was able to diagnose and clear the fault which the iCarsoft failed to do. I have now invested in a multi-vehicle Autel 808 as I do occasionally work on other vehicles.
 

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I have to give a massive big-up to @cutlea01 for his immense kindness and encyclopaedic knowledge of all things Jaguar and TPMS when I visited him today. I've learned a huge amount!

I'm sure we could have chatted long into the evening were I not on the school run. Our shared interests are uncanny.

So thanks for you time and the great chat. I hope to catch up again soon. I'll be at Lea Wood on Aug 7th!

Thanks, John.
 

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Hi, thanks for the replies. The RAC have just been (5 hour wait, but I was working from home, so no issue). I went in to make him a coffee and by the time I was back out, the car was ticking over.

I asked what he did and said he'd just waggled the wheel, then it started. He had his diagnostic kit plugged in and was just checking for stored faults. He found nothing particularly out of the ordinary (boot error, but I'd left it open whilst charging the battery, the U0167-00 error and issues relating to the TPMS.

@Cutllea01, I'm in Hempshill Vale near Nuthall, so probably 15 minutes away from Ripley. If it's ok, I'll give it another couple of days to see if the TPMS sensors all connect, and if I'm still struggling, perhaps I could message you?

Thanks for the info on the procedure with the iCarsoft. That's not what I was following, and it seems exactly what I should have done.

I'll ensure I'll do that if I ever get brave enough to plug it in again. In all honesty, I don't think I dare, though I had the iCarsoft CPII for my previous Citroens and that was great, so I know they are good products.

If anyone in the East Midlands area would like to borrow it, you are very much more than welcome.


Thanks immensely to everyone who took the time to share their advice on this. I can't thank you all enough.


Cheers, John.
Could this be related to the steering lock issue? I'm wondering if there's a sensor or something which could need looking at.
 

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I didn't scan all modules for faults being wary that the car had previously immobilised itself. I believe that was caused by a module becoming locked in a process while communicating with John's diagnostic scanner which was abruptly disconnected mid-comms, but have no way to prove - except try that exact same procedure again, which I'm not doing! Allowing 24 hours to pass would possibly cause said module to fully shut-down and restart on next ignition cycle. Not 100% sure.... Anyway, upcrux is John's new TPMS wheel sensors are correct and work just fine, correct frequency, correct info being received by my TPMS scanner yet the car's TPMS module is grumbling about not receiving any data from the receiver and is displaying "TPMS System Failure" on the dash. I strongly suspect the TPMS module has died, these are a known failure item, so have suggested as a first step to buy a new one from Jaguar. They're a bit fiddly to swap out, being under the driver's seat, but are plug 'n' play, no coding required. Then go for a 10 mile drive and see if the system error clears as the wheel sensors are learned. If not, then it's the receiver to be checked under the centre console area but, so far, I've not heard of one of these failing.

Part number wise, the item required is likely to be C2P25960, only the very early cars used a different item.
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Oh, BTW, I've awarded myself a GOTNC free card for public services delivered today. GOTNC - Get Out The Naughty Corner. Which I'm keeping in my back pocket :p
 
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Oh, BTW, I've awarded myself a GOTNC free card for public services delivered today. GOTNC - Get Out The Naughty Corner. Which I'm keeping in my back pocket :p
I've printed a big pile of GOTNC free cards. Let me know whenever you need one. I'll be happy to drop one off!
 
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